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"$Bill" <news@todbe.com>: Oct 25 01:03AM -0700

ESPN: http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/recap?gameId=400584031
 
Sacramento Kings vs. Los Angeles Lakers - Recap - October 24, 2014 - ESPN
Associated Press
 
LAS VEGAS -- Ray McCallum 's putback at the buzzer gave the Sacramento
Kings a 93-92 victory over the Los Angeles Lakers on Friday night in
the preseason finale for both teams.
 
The Kings overcame a 13-point deficit in the final 4 minutes.
 
McCallum missed a right-side jumper with 3 seconds left, Reggie Evans
caught the ball behind the left side of the glass and put up a
desperation shot that McCallum grabbed in front of the rim and dropped
in the basket.
 
DeMarcus Cousins led Sacramento (2-5) with 21 points and 10 rebounds.
Derrick Williams added 14 points, Ramon Sessions had 13 points and
eight assists, Evans finished with 16 rebounds.
 
Jeremy Lin led Los Angeles (3-5) with 19 points and seven assists. Ed
Davis added 15 points and 13 rebounds, Julius Randle had 12 points and
nine rebounds, and Robert Sacre had 12 points. Kobe Bryant and Carlos
Boozer sat out the game. They both made the trip, but were not
courtside.
 
TIP-INS
 
Kings: This was Sacramento's 11th trip to Las Vegas to play the Lakers
in a preseason game since 2000. They are 7-5 against them in Las Vegas.
The Kings finished the preseason traveling 17,972 miles, most on a
two-game trip to China against Brooklyn.
 
Lakers: Ronnie Price left with a sore right knee 2:47 into the game.
... A win would have given Los Angeles a .500 preseason for the first
time since 2010-11. This was the second time Los Angeles played at the
MGM Grand Arena. Last year, the Lakers also hosted and lost to the
Kings. Previously, the Lakers played almost annually at the Thomas &
Mack Center.
 
UP NEXT
 
Sacramento hosts Golden State on Wednesday night in the regular-season
opener.
 
Los Angeles hosts Houston on Tuesday night to start the regular season.
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bombelly2@wahs.ac (foamy): Oct 26 04:55AM

I got the error:
 
Setup did not find any Hard disc drives on your computer.
 
So I'll have to find the right drivers and try and slipstream them into the
folder I have, make a new .iso and burn it.
 
Easy peasy, but finding the right drivers is going to be the bitch.
 
It funny, a few of the places I looked said something to the effect I need the
right SATA drivers, which doesn't make any sense to me right now.
 
Jim
bombelly2@wahs.ac (foamy): Oct 25 06:31PM

Deborah wrote:
 
>At the top of each tweet from Carol is the number of hours ago it was
>posted. Click on that and you will see all the replies to it. Then
>to return to her main page just click on the back button.
 
Ahha, excellent, thanks. I understand now, the main page is like the cover of
a book, and to see what's written I have to go to the various chapters.
 
I was a bit confused cause I became a noob twitterer and was following a
twitter thread the night HNIC launched, and the tweets were just flying in,
too quickly to keep up. Every few seconds there was the notice bar above
saying, 30 new tweets, 40 new tweets eg, but saw nothing like that in this
case. Now that you've 'spained it, it was an older dead thread, and I wasn't
focused to the right ' chapter '.
 
If I see something someone says on tv eg., and want to respond in general
directly to what that person said, would I have to start a new ' chapter ' ?
 
Thanks again
Jim
Spiral <spiral@spongy.org>: Oct 25 12:27PM -0700

foamy wrote:
 
> click on tweets and replies, all I see is her tweets even though I know
> the tweets from others to her are burning up the universe ?
 
> Jim
 
I'm the last one to use social media, except Usenet, but each entry is a
topic with subtopics inside.
I think.
Click one, as I'm too lazy and have to find go off and find gray aliens.
Gary <Gary.The.Canuck.Fan@gmail.com>: Oct 25 01:44PM -0700

On 10/25/2014 11:31 AM, foamy wrote:
> focused to the right ' chapter '.
 
> If I see something someone says on tv eg., and want to respond in general
> directly to what that person said, would I have to start a new ' chapter ' ?
 
Hmmmm....I don't know who this @CarolCNN is, but someone should
probably warn her.
 
- Gary
Dutch <no@email.com>: Oct 25 02:22PM -0700

Deborah wrote:
 
> At the top of each tweet from Carol is the number of hours ago it was
> posted. Click on that and you will see all the replies to it. Then
> to return to her main page just click on the back button.
 
Does the owner of each Twitter feed not have to moderate, i.e. approve
or disapprove the displaying of replies via "re-tweeting".
Dutch <no@email.com>: Oct 25 03:34PM -0700

Deborah wrote:
 
> Besides blocking people and turning off re-tweeting privileges for
> individuals, Twitter does not give you much moderation ability. But
> that ought to be enough.
 
To be clear, when I send my adoring messages to Taylor Swift's (;>\)
twitter account, do they automatically show up on her page or is she
(i.e. her staff) not required to screen each incoming reply before it
goes live?
bombelly2@wahs.ac (foamy): Oct 25 11:41PM

Gary wrote:
 
> Hmmmm....I don't know who this @CarolCNN is, but someone should
>probably warn her.
 
>- Gary
 
Heh, too late. :-)
 
She's a mid 50's CNN host who acts and giggles like a teenage Valley Girl
heavy on the upspeak.
 
Jim
bob <bob@home.com>: Oct 25 09:04PM -0700

if you're on a computer, using the twitter web page, there's a thing
at the top where you can select 'tweets' or 'tweets and replies.' if
you're on a phone, you see it all.
 
if you tweet a reply, anyone can see it if they open the thread, but
if you tweet @taylor swift or whoever (a single first tweet, that
would be the start of a thread if anyone replies), it will only be
seen by your followers or people who follow both of you, which is
probably like, no one unless you're also super famous. but other
people who have no idea who you are will never see it anywhere.
 
the weird little trick is if you tweet @blahblah, only they will see
it in their notifications, but if you tweet like .@blahblah (with the
period at the start) or "hello @blahblah," then all your followers
will see it. or people who actually check your tweets on your actual
page.
 
does that make any sense at all?
bombelly2@wahs.ac (foamy): Oct 25 10:34PM

.it will all be over shortly.
 
I copied my xp sp2 disc to a folder, then I went and got what I thought
was the stand-alone sp3. d/l'd it and this is what d/l'd:
 
WindowsXP-KB936929-SP3-x86-ENU.exe
 
[ an application 360MB in size ]
 
When I look at what was on my xp disk for sp2, it shows:
 
WIN511C.SP2
 
[ an SP2 file 1KB in size ]
 
I get a feeling something ain't kosher if I try and slipstream what I got for
sp3 into the copied winxp folder ?
 
Also my pc is 64 bit, as I understand xp is 32 ? Do I have to do something
in preparation ?
 
Jim
Dutch <no@email.com>: Oct 25 03:50PM -0700

> .it will all be over shortly.
 
> I copied my xp sp2 disc to a folder
 
Don't do that, it won't work. NLite wants to see your XP SP2 nestled in
it's cd/dvd drive and your SP3 .iso mounted in it's virtual drive. Those
are the two locations you point NLite.
 
, then I went and got what I thought
> was the stand-alone sp3. d/l'd it and this is what d/l'd:
 
> WindowsXP-KB936929-SP3-x86-ENU.exe
 
> [ an application 360MB in size ]
 
yep, that's it, load it into a virtual drive.
 
 
> sp3 into the copied winxp folder ?
 
> Also my pc is 64 bit, as I understand xp is 32 ? Do I have to do something
> in preparation ?
 
No, it's the operating system that uses 64 or 32 bit, your computer will
recognize either, you don't need 64 bit Windows. If there was a stone
tablet and sharpened rock version that would do you.
bombelly2@wahs.ac (foamy): Oct 25 11:38PM

Dutch wrote:
 
 
>Don't do that, it won't work. NLite wants to see your XP SP2 nestled in
>it's cd/dvd drive and your SP3 .iso mounted in it's virtual drive. Those
>are the two locations you point NLite.
 
Poof, folder gone.
 
>> WindowsXP-KB936929-SP3-x86-ENU.exe
>> [ an application 360MB in size ]
 
>yep, that's it, load it into a virtual drive.
 
Oh Oh, I'm back to being on the cusp of confusion again.
What am I supposed to do, turn this .exe into an .iso file
somehow ?
 
>> When I look at what's on my xp disk for sp2, it shows:
>> WIN511C.SP2
>> [ an SP2 file 1KB in size ]
 
Is the reason this is only 1KB because it's all which is left over from
sp2 doing it's thing when it was applied ?
 
>No, it's the operating system that uses 64 or 32 bit, your computer will
>recognize either, you don't need 64 bit Windows. If there was a stone
>tablet and sharpened rock version that would do you.
 
Exactly ! Oh wait.......
 
Jim
Dutch <no@email.com>: Oct 25 07:47PM -0700


> Oh Oh, I'm back to being on the cusp of confusion again.
> What am I supposed to do, turn this .exe into an .iso file
> somehow ?
 
Sorry, that isn't it, hang on.
bombelly2@wahs.ac (foamy): Oct 26 03:02AM

Dutch wrote:
 
 
>> What am I supposed to do, turn this .exe into an .iso file
>> somehow ?
 
>Sorry, that isn't it, hang on.
 
I've been busy, I slipstreamed that into the winxp folder with nlite, [
it shows the xp sp2 I mentioned before, and now sp 3.]
 
I then used nlite to make an .iso file.
 
Now Im trying to burn it to a cd. Ive tried poweriso, and a couple others,
couldnt see how to burn it with nlite. But I dont want to click the button
until I know Im making a bootable cd. Thats what I want right ?
 
Jim
 
btw, the xp
Dutch <no@email.com>: Oct 25 08:01PM -0700

> until I know Im making a bootable cd. Thats what I want right ?
 
> Jim
 
> btw, the xp
 
It accepted the .exe? Surprising but OK. I linked the .iso
 
I'm going to watch a movie with the old lady to make up for being glued
to sports for the past 24 hours...
 
You could test the bootable cd and see if it works, just exit out of it
before making any changes if you're unsure. Talk to you later tonight.
bombelly2@wahs.ac (foamy): Oct 26 03:19AM

Dutch wrote:
 
.
 
you bet, thanks a lot, if wqe dont get together later it means my pc blew up
and i have to reinstall 7. :-)
 
Jim
Dutch <no@email.com>: Oct 25 12:40PM -0700

> with is:
 
> -- how to find the exact driver[s] I need to slipsstream into the disc I will
> create.
 
All you need is SP3 (prolly even SP2 will work) provided you install XP
with the disk controllers set in the BIOS to Legacy (IDE) Mode, not
AHCI. As far as I can tell all this stuff on the internet about XP not
recognizing SATA hard drives is misguided, or people are trying to
install original XP without service packs.
 
> the plan Stan, is to get the right drivers to open up the communications ?
> Do these new drivers actually go on the HDD or do they get stuck in that
> hidden files partition which the computer uses to boot up ?
 
XP SP3 should recognize your SATA hard drive without a problem (in IDE
mode), the necessary drivers are built in.
 
 
> -- If I think I have everything all set to roll, I go to install with the new
> new disc, keep the win7 partition, and create a new partition for xp,
 
In order to preserve Windows 7 and install XP you would need to create
some free space. You could use the partition shrink method you
discovered, or Bootit. Squeeze off 1OO GB, then when you run setup
select that free space to install XP.
 
> and oops, I have the wrong drivers, and it won't install, will I still have
> win7 available to use to try to get the correct drivers ?
 
 
Here's where it gets techy. XP Setup will rewrite the main boot sector
on the hard drive so although W7 is still there, it will not boot. It
can be repaired using a Windows 7 Repair Disk which you would make in
advance
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-ca/windows7/create-a-system-repair-disc
or use the W7 Setup DVD if you have it. Here's an article on the
different methods http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/kb/article.php?id=556
 
This is why I suggested Bootit, it makes all this a lot easier.
 
 
> format everything, blow out 7 period, and do a fresh install of xp ?
> Nothing would be dependant upon 7 for this to suceed ? If so, I assume
> I could repeat this process and hope for blind squirrel moment ?
 
Yes, but I thought you ordered a new game that required W7??
 
What is wrong with Windows 7 IYO anyway? I can hardly tell the
difference with XP. I hate the local disk Search function, but I just
use a free 3rd party one..
bombelly2@wahs.ac (foamy): Oct 25 09:46PM

Dutch wrote:
 
>AHCI. As far as I can tell all this stuff on the internet about XP not
>recognizing SATA hard drives is misguided, or people are trying to
>install original XP without service packs.
 
Does this guy have it right and confirms what you are saying ?
 
http://tinyurl.com/pgmgesy
 
If just setting it to IDE and having sp3 [ maybe 2 ] will work, it's heaven.
I recall you mentioned sp3 and I went and got it, but I didn't make the
connection between it and the installation.
 
In my bios I have:
 
SATA Mode Selection --and it's now set at IDE.
 
Is this the only changes to make to the bios I need to do ?
[ what should be the boot sequence, 1st from the cd/dvd drive ? ]
 
 
Well what the hell, let's see if my xp disc with sp2 works.
 
What I was thinking, was:
 
-- make a disc with sp3 slipstreamed on it.
-- have IDE set in bios
-- try installing from my sp2 disc, format the whole shmear.
 
Now if this doesnt work, will re-booting with my win7 disc in allow
me to install 7 to try again with the sp3 disc ? Or would I somehow
have to get the bios back to SATA ? Or I could try the sp3 disc ?
 
 
>> Nothing would be dependant upon 7 for this to suceed ? If so, I assume
>> I could repeat this process and hope for blind squirrel moment ?
 
>Yes, but I thought you ordered a new game that required W7??
 
Yep I did, but it sucks the big one. Sid Meier should be ashamed of himself
for allowing his name or CIV to be associated with what I think is a pos
and stains the CIV legacy. Just pissed 50 bucks down the drain for an hours
*cough* play.
 
 
>What is wrong with Windows 7 IYO anyway? I can hardly tell the
>difference with XP. I hate the local disk Search function, but I just
>use a free 3rd party one..
 
I think I forgot to thank you for that search Everything app you gave me. That
works a hell of a lot better than the native 7.
 
I have 7 _looking_ like xp, but what I love about xp, is I guess in part
because of it's age, many individuals have made beautiful apps to
customize and personalize and blow to smithereens all the unwanted
stuff Bill loves to shove down your throat. In addition, xp is way more
intuitive to use and find what you want to do free of smarmy smirking
bells and whistles hoops to jump through included in 7 simply to justify
the programmers actually having a job.
 
7 is like buying a car and the salesman bitching constantly in your ear
telling you how you have to drive it. I bought it, it's mine, now bugger off
and let me do what I want.
 
Jim
Dutch <no@email.com>: Oct 25 03:30PM -0700


> If just setting it to IDE and having sp3 [ maybe 2 ] will work, it's heaven.
> I recall you mentioned sp3 and I went and got it, but I didn't make the
> connection between it and the installation.
 
Yes, he confirms what I have been told by experts I trust. SP3 for XP
included IDE SATA support.
 
My only concern is WD AFD, but I think that might be moot
http://support.wdc.com/product/downloadsw.asp?sid=128
 
If that is a problem you might need to let me fiddle with it, or take to
a shop like Generic on Broadway. I've never used that align tool, but it
doesn't look that difficult.
 
 
> In my bios I have:
 
> SATA Mode Selection --and it's now set at IDE.
 
taDA!
 
> Is this the only changes to make to the bios I need to do ?
> [ what should be the boot sequence, 1st from the cd/dvd drive ? ]
 
Yes, cd drive first.
 
 
> -- make a disc with sp3 slipstreamed on it.
> -- have IDE set in bios
> -- try installing from my sp2 disc, format the whole shmear.
 
OK
 
> Now if this doesnt work, will re-booting with my win7 disc in allow
> me to install 7 to try again with the sp3 disc ? Or would I somehow
> have to get the bios back to SATA ? Or I could try the sp3 disc ?
 
You can do all of the above, try SP2 if you like, if that fails try SP3
(why not do SP3 right away?) and if that fails install W7 if you like,
IDE or AHCI should work in that case.
bombelly2@wahs.ac (foamy): Oct 25 10:59PM

Dutch wrote:
 
>included IDE SATA support.
 
>My only concern is WD AFD, but I think that might be moot
>http://support.wdc.com/product/downloadsw.asp?sid=128
 
Oh Oh. What's the scoop on this Dutch ?
 
Jim
Dutch <no@email.com>: Oct 25 07:58PM -0700

>> http://support.wdc.com/product/downloadsw.asp?sid=128
 
> Oh Oh. What's the scoop on this Dutch ?
 
> Jim
 
I'm hoping it's nothing to worry about, as long as the controllers are
in IDE mode, but it's something new I haven't seen before, new by
Western Digital. If it screws you up then there's probably no way I can
remotely lead you through sorting it out. There's a bootable cd you can
make there, "WD Align Media Builder" you could make it in advance as a
precaution. I think it's likely just a false alarm.
Dutch <no@email.com>: Oct 25 07:51PM -0700

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=25129
 
Click the red button then select proceed with download.
 
sorry for the mixup
Deborah <bcdeb1@gmail.com>: Oct 25 11:47AM -0700

>directly to what that person said, would I have to start a new ' chapter ' ?
 
>Thanks again
>Jim
 
If there wasn't a relevant tweet on the person's twitter page for you
to reply to, then yes, you would have to start a new chapter.
Deborah <bcdeb1@gmail.com>: Oct 25 02:23PM -0700

>topic with subtopics inside.
>I think.
>Click one, as I'm too lazy and have to find go off and find gray aliens.
 
Actually, Twitter is threaded, just like usenet. You can tweet, you
can reply to tweets, you can reply to replies to tweets, etc. The
difficulty, as Jim is finding, is with opening the thread up so you
can see more than just the original tweet.
Deborah <bcdeb1@gmail.com>: Oct 25 02:39PM -0700

>> to return to her main page just click on the back button.
 
>Does the owner of each Twitter feed not have to moderate, i.e. approve
>or disapprove the displaying of replies via "re-tweeting".
 
I think the owner can only turn off re-tweeting privileges for
individuals if they don't like what they re-tweet. You can't turn off
re-tweeting altogether.
 
Besides blocking people and turning off re-tweeting privileges for
individuals, Twitter does not give you much moderation ability. But
that ought to be enough.
Deborah <bcdeb1@gmail.com>: Oct 25 03:58PM -0700

>twitter account, do they automatically show up on her page or is she
>(i.e. her staff) not required to screen each incoming reply before it
>goes live?
 
I do not know if public persons such as celebrities and politicians
can have different powers. I do not know how they would get them.
The basic Twitter setup does not offer the pre-screening style of
moderation. Just you can mute people. I assume muting would be
retroactive - i.e., would make all their tweets disappear from your
timeline, but I do not know. I have blocked a person who was
following me who I did not know. But that is all.
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Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Oct 26 02:48PM +1100

On 25/10/2014 5:51 AM, TT wrote:
> he withdraws from Paris due to "personal reasons"... then he played the
> worst set I have ever seen from him.
 
> Wonder what those personal reasons are. Probably surgery next week.
 
 
 
It's mental. Always has been for him. He's looking for plausible
reasons to excuse himself, which makes it look slapstick.
 
I never question it because I accepted long ago he needs these lengthy
breaks to extend his career. I'll leave the conspiracy theories to you
guys.
 
: )
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Oct 26 02:54PM +1100

On 25/10/2014 5:55 AM, ahonkan wrote:
 
> Stop bragging about clay-centric 23-10 H2H vs Fed. Ask your hero
> to start beating 17 & 19 yr old kids. GOAThood doesn't come from
> selective H2H vs 1 person but performance vs the field.
 
Yes, the great thing about Federer is his remarkable consistency. He
never takes any opponents lightly & you know you'll never see a
half-hearted, weak performance from him. If you pay to watch Roger
Federer play tennis you know you're going to get your money's worth.
 
He's probably the least likely of all the great players to suffer an
upset loss in any given match. He's kept this up for more than 10 years
- amazing stuff.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Oct 26 02:56PM +1100

On 25/10/2014 5:56 AM, TT wrote:
 
>> .mikko
 
> Yes Coric played well. Have you ever seen worse set from Rafa than the
> first though? I haven't...
 
 
It's just tennis man. If you stay on the baseline it's not hard to win
or lose a set 6-0 if you start missing just a little & your opponent is
super young, hungry & talented.
 
I never consider Rafa losses this time of year as a sign of anything,
but hat's off to a very promising young kid trying to break through.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Oct 26 02:58PM +1100

On 25/10/2014 5:58 AM, TT wrote:
>> So Rafa must be injured, no?
 
> I don't think appendicitis counts as injury...
> There certainly was something wrong with him wouldn't you agree?
 
 
Not really. He just has no desire to work like a maniac this time of
year with nothing major on the line. It's quite normal for a great
player with his record.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Oct 26 03:02PM +1100

On 25/10/2014 6:05 AM, MBDunc wrote:
>> first though? I haven't...
 
> It apparently was bad - but I watched only 2nd set...and Nadal was off.
 
> .mikko
 
That's where Federer has the edge on Rafa, & probably all past greats.
His 'bad game' never drops as low as the other guys.
 
I'd say Fed's form stays in the 90-100% range for every match he ever
plays, while other guys can drop to well below 50%.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Oct 26 03:03PM +1100

On 25/10/2014 6:06 AM, TT wrote:
 
> Rafa btw hasn't lost to any under 20 year olds apart from Coric and
> Kyrgios I think. So his first lost to a teen came at age 28... how about
> Fed, when did he lose his first match to a teen?
 
And these 2 kids appear to be the best potential for future top players.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Oct 26 03:03PM +1100

On 25/10/2014 6:08 AM, TT wrote:
>> Rafa btw hasn't lost to any under 20 year olds apart from Coric and
>> Kyrgios I think.
 
> +Djoko who was couple months under 20.
 
 
That's a good sign for Coric/Kyrgios - they may be Djoker level.
 
: )
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Oct 26 03:05PM +1100

On 25/10/2014 6:09 AM, ahonkan wrote:
> If he takes the court and plays through to the end, he is NOT injured.
> He has been criticized for retiring vs Murray at AO and to his credit,
> has manfully completed matches instead of abandoning them.
 
Yes, this is a bona fide win for Coric, & a loss for Rafa. Doesn't
matter how you dress it up. Some fans are emotionally invested & don't
like it, but that doesn't matter.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Oct 26 03:05PM +1100

On 25/10/2014 6:14 AM, ahonkan wrote:
>> Kyrgios I think. So his first lost to a teen came at age 28... how about
>> Fed, when did he lose his first match to a teen?
 
> Fed was #1 when a 19-yr old Rafa beat him.
 
Rafa was 17, not 19.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Oct 26 03:06PM +1100

On 25/10/2014 6:18 AM, TT wrote:
 
> You can hate Rafafans all you want but would be pretty blind to say that
> this was just normal bad performance. There was some problem 100%.
 
> You didn't answer my question.
 
 
Your question doesn't matter mate. They both played the match & Rafa
played hard to win. Just not his day today. His career is not judged
on these type of matches.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Oct 26 03:10PM +1100

On 25/10/2014 6:28 AM, ahonkan wrote:
 
> My point is, unless Kyrgios / Coric turn out to be world-beaters,
> the Fed loss(es) to Rafa won't be considered as bad as Rafa's.
> The jury is going to be out on this verdict for years.
 
That's ridiculous. This tournament means nothing to multi slam greats.
It means a huge deal to Coric & hungry tennis fans as it's a market
for potential. Coric himself wasn't overly excited. His career goal is
not to beat top players in tune-ups. Guys like Dimitrov see their job
as done in tune-ups, but the best players are aiming for the slams.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Oct 26 03:11PM +1100

On 25/10/2014 6:30 AM, ahonkan wrote:
 
> I didn't claim I watched the match. But Rafa playing poorly and
> losing doesn't automatically make him injured. And that's exactly
> what you do all the time.
 
Any 'injury' Rafa had didn't stop him scampering around the court like a
mad man. He just doesn't have the burning fire to give it absolutely
100% at this time of yr. A loss is a loss. Move on.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Oct 26 03:13PM +1100

On 25/10/2014 6:49 AM, Court_1 wrote:
>> The jury is going to be out on this verdict for years.
 
> Ahonkan, I see where you are coming from and I agree with you that the "injury" trend with respect to Nadal and the fact that he never plays a full season is extremely annoying and unprofessional but at the end of the day he will be judged mainly by things like slams and his title collection. Nobody will remember that he lost to some young mug in Basel even if Coric turns out to be a big deal when all is said and done or they may remember but it will not be an important feature of Nadal's career (it may be an important feature of Coric's career.)
 
> The Kyrgios loss at Wimbledon is of course more significant but even still players are judged more by their wins and tiles not by their losses here and there. What will matter most is how he manages at the slams next year and whether he can equal or surpass Federer's slam count. Nadal's main focus should be the AO 2015. Nobody should expect him to do well post the USO. It is not his deal and never has been. All players have weaknesses. He is obviously trying to prolong his career and the only way he can do that is if he misses chunks of the year. I doubt he will ever play a full year again but if he can win more slams who cares?
 
Exactly.
 
Tennis fans can seem dumb & smart at the same time. Very odd.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Oct 26 03:14PM +1100

On 25/10/2014 6:55 AM, TT wrote:
 
> On the contrary...
 
> Random losses to nobodies are insignificant, while dominating your rival
> is of utmost importance.
 
 
Correct. When you play your biggest rivals it's in latter stages when
everyone is in form, & the slams are the biggest stages where everyone
wants to win big time, because of the huge legacy stakes.
 
The h2h record is very important in slams. The more they play each
other the more critical it becomes.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Oct 26 03:17PM +1100

On 25/10/2014 7:06 AM, Court_1 wrote:
 
>> Random losses to nobodies are insignificant, while dominating your rival
>> is of utmost importance.
 
> But ahonkan DOES have a point that when it comes to consistency year in and year out--i.e. being able to play a complete season with no constant "injury" BS, Federer leaves Nadal in the dust in that area. Federer's consistency is remarkable. Nadal's constant "injury" dramas and end of season collapses are annoying and unprofessional for a GREAT of the game. That is where Nadal gets a failing grade.
 
Correct, but I also don't go too hard on Rafa. Much like Borg he
couldn't maintain his intense style all yr round so has to manage his
efforts/rest.
 
And yes Federer is goat in this consistency category. He'll get more
credit for this amazing achievement when he retires. Federer was simply
always there in the semis or later of every fricking tournament!
John Liang <jliang70@gmail.com>: Oct 25 09:20PM -0700

On Sunday, October 26, 2014 3:06:40 PM UTC+11, Whisper wrote:
 
> Your question doesn't matter mate. They both played the match & Rafa
> played hard to win. Just not his day today. His career is not judged
> on these type of matches.
 
Well, that wasn't sort of stand you take regarding Federer like keep reciting his losses to Henman or Agassi in 2001.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Oct 26 03:22PM +1100

On 25/10/2014 7:11 AM, TennisGuy wrote:
 
> Right.
 
> Peak Nadal should not lose to 17 & 19 year olds.
 
> There is no excuse at all for these losses.
 
 
There is no 'should' - you win or lose. That's tennis & sport.
 
I agree it's no excuse, but also there is no legacy hit or value in
these tune-ups for Rafa.
 
Nothing to see until AO.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Oct 26 03:23PM +1100

On 25/10/2014 7:16 AM, *skriptis wrote:
 
> I feel I've seen him play worse, to be honest.
 
Yes, much worse.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Oct 26 03:24PM +1100

On 25/10/2014 7:16 AM, TennisGuy wrote:
 
> It makes perfect sense to me. :)
 
If Rafa had the same record as Kyrgios/Coric then nobody would be saying
Rafa was better than him.
 
Rafa is a 14 slam great who dominated the 17 slam great.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Oct 26 03:28PM +1100

On 25/10/2014 7:38 AM, TT wrote:
 
> Certainly not...
 
> 1st set he didn't just miss, he missed by miles... all the time.
 
 
Never makes excuses. Have the decency to give your opponent the respect
he deserves for the win, & good luck in the next match they play.
That's when you do the talking - on the court.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Oct 26 03:26PM +1100

On 25/10/2014 7:35 AM, *skriptis wrote:
 
> Another tough guy coming?
 
Good. Enough of the softcocks already.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Oct 26 03:20PM +1100

On 25/10/2014 7:09 AM, Court_1 wrote:
 
>> Sure smells funny to me!
 
> Yep, it stinks. And why did Nadal state that he is not playing Paris due to "personal reasons?" Why not state he is having appendix surgery since we have been hearing about his bloody appendix for weeks. Very strange. Why the mystery?
 
Because it's not professional to say 'I'm burnt out & can't do it'. He
has contractual obligations too.
 
I guess he shouldn't be making them if he knows he's going to be burnt
out, but that's pressure from his minders.
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Oct 26 02:46PM +1100

On 25/10/2014 5:49 AM, soccerfan777 wrote:
 
> Rati Agnihotri (from the 80s)
> http://peperonity.com/go/sites/mview/bollywood8/20901480
 
> There are many more... you can google them... few of them I would list are Vyjayanthimala, Nutan, Sharmila Tagore, Hema Malini, Zeenat Aman, Jay Prada, Sridevi, Juhi Chawla, Reena Roy, Rekha, Bhagyashree , Rani Mukherjee, and of course the current top actresses Aishwarya Rai, Katrina Kaif, Kareena Kapoor, Deepika Padukone, Priyanka Chopra etc.
 
Yes all those are attractive, pretty women. Like I said straight guys
will find many women attractive irrespective of race. There just seem
to be more of the better looking ones in certain countries/cultures.
 
Polish women have the oval faces, nice lips/eyes, Afro-Americans have
the killer t&a etc.
 
Kinda silly arguing about it. But I can say I wouldn't put India at the
top of the 'hottest chicks' list.
RaspingDrive <raspingdrive@gmail.com>: Oct 25 09:09PM -0700

On Saturday, October 25, 2014 5:18:34 AM UTC-4, Court_1 wrote:
 
> > Raja gave all B-wood actresses. Here is a Chennai super-duper pretty face:
 
> > http://www.fulloncinema.com/index/news/trisha-in-a-3-heroine-film/
 
> Yeah, I am not impressed with the examples Raja gave us. There are much prettier Indian women than those examples. Your example is better but I still think Freida Pinto is better. She is sooooo pretty.
 
No doubt Freida Pinto looks good in that picture. For some reason she never figured in B-wood movies (AFAIK)!
Whisper <beaver999@ozemail.com>: Oct 26 03:00PM +1100

On 25/10/2014 6:03 AM, MBDunc wrote:
>> Career wins, remains for me, one of the top 5 stats... would a player rather have 10ATP wins with one major or 20ATP wins and no major... undoubtedly... and yet, that kind of black and white minimalism doesn't totally dismiss winning 1000s or 500s... winning across the time frame of a career, across surfaces and enviroments played, across the spectrum of the eras encountered, still does mean a lot to a professional and that, to me anyway, remains important as a barometer when adjudicating a top/elite career...
 
>> P
 
> Career prize money list sums all up.
 
 
 
David Wheaton won $2 million in 1 week winning GS cup. It tells us
little about his real worth as a player.
 
Ultimately 7543 is the most accurate marker for raw slam wins - needs
slight tinkering for things like calendar yr grand slam etc
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